L201 or Contradens?
 

Could you help me to ID my L201/Contradens:
Fish1 (Male):




Fish2 (Female):


Fish3 (Male):


Fish4 (Female):

Hi!

What size are those fish?

My opinion:
Fish#1: L201 male
Fish#2: L201
Fish#3: top Fish and Fish on the right side rather seem like two male H. contradens to me
Fish#4: looks like a fat small non-dominating male H. contradens.

Fish#3 and #4 are a little weird looking. As if they were right in the middle between L201 and H. contradens. Maybe they are Hybrids. Or maybe "L201 big Spot" (Not H. contradens but L201 with larger white and orange spots, just like those of H. contradens) is not only a trading name for contradens, but also an existing variant of H. sp. "L201". I dont know.

regards, Ansgar

Blues-Ank, thanks fro reply.

The size:
Fish3 is the biggest it is up to 12 cm TL. The rest not bigger then 10 cm TL. But I measured them long ago, I need to measure them again.

All the fish are wild, so I don't think they could be hybrids. Fish2 and Fish4 are definite females. On the photos of fish3 on the right is fish1.
I think Fish1 and Fish2 are L201. But I'm totally not sure with fish3 and fish4.

Hi!

Ok, <12cm means H. contradens and L201 both are possible...when the males grow up to >14cm you can be sure they are H. contradens.

Well, then they are probably no Hybrids :D

However, the head of fish1 looks somehow longer and narrower in the pic with fish3. This made me think its rather contradens. On the first three pics, i have no doubt its L201.

This is a contradens male with typical Headshape, sidewiew:



The Headshape between the Tip of the Nose and the Eyes is normally almost straight. Most L201 (caution: NOT all L201) seem to have a stronger curve in that line, and a shorter head, so that contradens Mopsköpfe (sorry i forgot the english Term for this kind of Head Deformation) are sometimes very hard to identify as contradens rather than L201.

Did you know this One and that One ?

I totally agree with that :D


regards, Ansgar